Chrome =/= Chromium, like Android =/= AOSP folks… just to clarify.
Firefox to evolve into not existing.
But why !? Chatbots are useful enough, I don’t need AI anywhere else than when I explicitly choose to use it on my terms !
You wanna make money ? Make a chatbot that lies less and/or doesn’t reinforce people into their delusions, or one that runs for cheaper, or both.
AI is useful. Just like knives are useful. Doesn’t mean I want every object I own to also somehow be or contain multiple knives 😅
More often than not, a faster horse is actually all we need.
Hey tech companies. Consumers do not want more AI, they want less of it. Maybe we just need to get the word out?
Exactly this. I would love to see just one tech company stand up and say we are not doing AI, our AI budget is $0 and our product will not ship with AI. If you really want to use AI with our system you can download a plug-in or something but we won’t waste our time writing one.
They would get a million users overnight.
But ‘AI’ is the cool word of the moment! All the AI peddlers say so in their sale pitches!
I want it
Hahaha fuck Firefox. Been saying it for years. Used to be the goat. Hasn’t been for a decade and a half.
Bring on ladybird!
how would this afffect the forked versions like Waterfox, LibreWolf, IronFox? The AI part is a separated feature from mainline Firefox branch, so forks can choose not to include it?
WTF man, I just want a fucking browser.
No you don’t, now suck down your government mandated AI slop and say thank you — you philistine.
I recommend waterfox and the DuckDuckGo browser, at least those 2 are good at least
Ducks browser runs on chrome though I highly recommend using anything but that because it contributes to chromes monopoly over the web.
Really excited for Ladybird and to see what Servo ends up being used in. Sad to see what Firefox is doing.
Nope, time for a new browser.
Welp, time to move to waterfox for good
LibreWolf all the way
First: Every product we build must give people agency in how it works. Privacy, data use, and AI must be clear and understandable. Controls must be simple. AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it.
That’s a good idea to put first. Of course, like do no evil, priorities change, so we’ll need to keep a close eye on this.
Second: our business model must align with trust. We will grow through transparent monetization that people recognize and value.
Transparent is good, but if he things he’s going to add value to monetization, he’s smoking crack. There’s nothing we want from a browser that’s not already provided by a plugin.
Third: Firefox will grow from a browser into a broader ecosystem of trusted software. Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
Nobody wants that. We already had all we wanted from them in trusted software.
I don’t know if that is the reason but I wonder if the recent ruling that made Firefox loose on the cash income from Google as a default search engine has them doing a similar type of deal with AI companies, even Google, like, Firefox has a built-in interface for AI and the backend you can choose but the default one is one that some AI company pay a fee to be.
If that is the case I think it is fine, it is like a wink-wink situation, you have to have it enabled by default and with a default provider for it to be worth something for someone to pay for the privilege, and then the users can simply change it be gone with it without affecting the payout. (Unless the pay or renew pay has some metric like use statistics)
Its impossible to exist without money and you won’t buy a browser so
You’re right, we should be giving money to Librewolf and Waterfox.
Librewolf doesn’t actually have their own browser. They provide Firefox with a slightly modified configuration. Your comment is like saying we should give our money to door dash instead of $burger-joint despite door dash having no kitchens no equipment no beef and no cooks.
$burger-joint should have thought about that before making Door Dash the only usable ordering method, cramming AI into their lobby.
You seem to have lost track of the analogy read it again and figure it out.
I think I actually nailed that response, the only way you could see it as lacking is if you were trying to forcefully inject preconceived notions like “local joint good, door dash bad” into a situation where the “local joint” is a corporate entity shilling AI and “door dash” as an open source community project.
They can do that because Firefox is open source. If Mozilla disappeared and funding was sent to one of the forks instead, they could hire more developers and maintain it directly. Maybe even hire some of Mozilla’s best engineers.
There is no reason to believe that librewolf could ever ever ever replace Mozilla. They have no revenue stream and everything that could get them a revenue stream would make you dislike them as much as you do Mozilla. This is a complete and utter fantasy.
Sure you can. Shits been existing for billions of years.
I like to imagine that these CEOs just get like a million AI emails a day from alt accounts of Sam Altman begging them to put AI in everything and they’re all too stupud to realize it.
I don’t think anyone actually read the announcement, just the headline. Here was the new CEOs actual first point.
“First: Every product we build must give people agency in how it works. Privacy, data use, and AI must be clear and understandable. Controls must be simple. AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it.”
By people he means other CEOs.
AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn
offon. That’s how it should be.First, there should be a survey on what users actually want, no?
Because if no one wants AI and it’s “always a choice”, what you really do is waste considerable resources with as the only results, more settings users have to go through before starting using their browsers.
there is absolutely zero reason to put ai in firefox
Local ML translation was pretty cool
I like the convenience for languages I don’t speak, but when I checked it for Hungarian (that I do speak) the results are so much worse than Google Translate or DeepL, basically literal translation word-by-word, often completely losing the meaning and tone of the sentence.
exactly it should be a firefox extension, anyone can install if they want it.
It’d be nice if it integrated with my local ollama instance and let me pick which models I wanted to use on the fly with whatever part of the page I want.
