I genuinely want to understand, is it actually illegal? The YouTuber says that the blockade isn’t legal because UN says this that - but doesn’t that apply to blockades done by other countries, not the country that ‘owns’ the territory?
I thought that Israel has the right to control entry inside their territorial (not Economic) waters the same way the U.S., E.U., and Canada can control entry of boats to their respective nations, no?Those are Gaza territorial waters not israel.
and it is also a war crime to block aid from entering.
and aid entering will mess up their famine/genocide. which is also illegal.
this is like me torturing my neighbour, them claiming the right to kidnap the ambulances that go to help him because they were too close to my driveway so it’s ok if I steal them and kidnap the paramedics, or even murder them if they are brown enough.
Gaza isn’t part of Israel and the waters off of it aren’t Israeli either.
Enforcing a naval blockade during armed conflict is not illegal.
(and I now await the downvotes…)
There was a blockade before hamas even took power. Israel is the occupier that maintain it’s settler colonialism ideology so has no right to blockade a land forever
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the full naval blockade only started with the Hamas takeover.
The 2007 blockade was already devastating and illegal and you are fine with it. The more extreme blockade that is happening now is the reason why we have a famine right now in Gaza. Why are you keeping giving excuses to the occupier?
Would you have done the same apologism during Nat Turner revolt, would you have defended the settlers during indigenous people bloody revolts?
I respect racist Zionists more than weaselly liberal pro-zionists. At least the former are not standing in the way of real progress.
edit: guys guys. I respect X more than Y doesn’t mean I respect X. What I’m saying is that X might be at 0, but Y at -1000.
All zionists stand in the way of progress if you are an anti-zionist, which in my opinion everyone should be.
I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
This is what I mean.
https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html
Yeah i understand that point. We have to however see that the “moderate” or “centrist” is indeed simply still ignorant and can be educated. Which is hard because they see themselves as educated and they also don’t want to care.
Racist Zionists however are directly working to defend Israels genocide, oppression and apartheid in order to prolong the existance of the regime as long as they can. They do this in media, social media and in politics.
So while i see why one could “respect” their real effort (in comparison to a lack of effort on the side of “moderates”), i absolutely deny people any respect for the simple fact that most of these are not only hateful, racist bigots but they also often have economic incentives to do Israels dirty work.
You’re getting too hang up on the respect to the convinced Zionists, when my point is the disrespect to the weaselly pro-zionists. The former have zero. The latter are in the big negatives.
Again i do understand but in my views the pro-zionists are not a completely lost bunch. I say this because i have made great progress with my mom, having turned her into a critic. I wish i could ignite the spark of solidarity but that remains to be seen. Another friend, while not really pro-zionist, was regurgitating zionist propaganda (“from the river to the sea, palestine shall be free” is calling for the genocide of jews) but he was willing to be challenged on that.
So yes, i understand the anger that people are ignorant fools and thus tools but most people have been at some point in their lives and it is thanks to outside influence that we have been woken up.
I wonder what real progress looks like through eyes like yours
The dismantling of apartheid.
If you’re going to crib from Letters From A Birmingham Jail, maybe don’t become the “I can excuse racism, but I draw the line at…” meme?
Where do I fucking excuse racism?
You may notice that I didn’t say you excused racism, but instead became the meme:
Splitting hairs are we?
Edit: you demand nuance without giving any.
The irony of this comment is palpable.
I presume that you are unfamiliar with the meme, so you don’t see the context of someone loudly proclaiming their outrage at something above and beyond something else, only to be pulled up by someone else pointing at the absurdity of considering the something else being treated as the lesser issue. Not contained in the image version is the first person turning to the second and rapidly disclaiming their apparent support (or lack of sanction) of the issue they can excuse.
Given that such lack of care regarding things that do not effect them personally, it’s also an example of the lukewarm acceptance of the white moderate the King discussed in Birmingham. The idea that there are more important issues than the naked bigotry and we must deal with other issues first is the bewildering support that is more frustrating than the outright rejection.
But, then, you should have some inkling of that, shouldn’t you? Given how much you had to demand nuance of those who question where you place your disdain in your edits.
But, sure, let your takeaway be that I said you excused racism.
Yeah, my phrasing let you slot me into a meme, congrats for spotting it.
Racist Zionists are abhorrent, full stop. The difference is, their bigotry is naked and you can see it, name it, and fight it. Liberal pro-Zionists are worse politically, because they hide behind the mask of progressivism while defending apartheid. That hypocrisy is exactly the kind of obstacle King described in his Letter from Birmingham Jail: the so-called moderate who slows down liberation while pretending to be an ally.
So no, I’m not excusing racism. I’m saying the liberal fig leaf for racism is the greater stumbling block. Happy?
The word respect apply for admiration to noble things so the word do not fit in your comment
