I would assume that Anthropic’s stance is mostly performative. But while people are in boycotting mood they could solve the surveillance problem by quitting ALL big tech products. Here’s our site that lists all the ethical, non-spyware alternatives:
https://www.rebeltechalliance.org/stopusingbigtech.html
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This site is amazing! Simple and very informative and I really liked the privacy policy last sentence.
Yeah instead of arguing over whether Anthropic is actually good, let’s unite around “fuck OpenAI.”
“You’re absolutely right! That was a children’s hospital, not a military base. Let’s try that again!”
Since this article, Anthropic’s Claude AI app has claimed the #1 top spot over ChatGPT on both Android and iOS.
I bought Claude premium. I’m not rich enough for $28 CAD a month tho so im only doing one month lol
From OpenAI’s statement:
We have three main red lines that guide our work with the DoW, which are generally shared by several other frontier labs:
• No use of OpenAI technology for mass domestic surveillance.
• No use of OpenAI technology to direct autonomous weapons systems.
• No use of OpenAI technology for high-stakes automated decisions (e.g. systems such as “social credit”).
It specifically states their AI can’t/won’t be used for surveillance and autonomous weapons. Of course I’m not saying I trust them, but isn’t this the same thing Anthropic says they’re against? What’s the difference here or what did I miss?
the ‘no domestic surveillance’ is just language that mirrors some limitations (from their pov) from the patriot act. They’re still willing to surveil people outside the USA, and in fact all they have to do is route domestic traffic through an international part of a network and they can legally spy on domestic americans which is what already happens.
Anthropic put clauses in that were legally enforceable by future administrations. OpenAI says “yea we totally trust you bro”
Sam Altman is the king of the trust me bro and than backpedaling on it.
Just the little push I needed to close my ChatGPT account
Same! Was planning on doing this today.
What do you plan to switch to? I’m currently thinking a combination of Claude and something else for images if it turns out I really need to pay for it.
I use ppq.ai , which lets yo chose which llm/service you need, and then you are charged per query. It has all the latest models for imaging, text, video. Etc. So you get to use the one that fits the task best, and no need to pay for a membership. Which is way cheaper if you don’t have professional use of heavy models, imo. It allows allows privacy payments (monero and such. I dont have that, just mentioning it is possible :)).
Dude the only guardrails are
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No fully automated killings
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No mass surveillance
You could literally do anything else, you could automate killing people with a person approving.
Trump booted anthropic because they couldn’t lift these two guardrails. Fuck me
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Amazon, gemini, perplexity are also in the us goverment baby bottle nipples.
Now imagine my shock when I had done the swap from ChatGPT to Claude the day before the news about Anthropic’s (now backpedalled) deal. Anyway, I deleted ChatGPT and Gemini accounts and degoogled my life while I was at it.
I’m wondering if this is a play for a future bailout. OpenAI knows they are fucked; and instead of just going away like most companies do when they fail, they are embedding themselves in the government to secure a bailout under the guise of a critical defence vendor.
Furthermore, I’m not convinced the researchers and critical personnel will work for a company that does this. I think we’re about to see the biggest jumping of a ship so far in the industry.
That makes a lot of sense
The “Cancel ChatGPT movement” doesn’t appear to be mentioned in the article, but other outlets say hashtags like #CancelChatGPT are trending on X.
Think of the 3rd grade math, made up charts they willl trot out about #kill r#atios. ‘ask ai about truth’ /s
The lesser of two evils is still…evil. Anthropic’s hands aren’t clean either…they’re just minimally less caked in blood.
BUT
One can hope that this is the ‘turn towards the light side’. If ‘don’t be evil’ can finally be made profitable, well, self interest might actually be a lever for good. Ha.
I wish there was a clearly, unambiguously good guy in the cloud AI space. I don’t know how to make that work with economies of scale being what they are. Yes, that includes Lumo - though one has faint hope on that end to.
hmm, not to sound smug but, you people need a hashtag to tell which way the wind blows. ‘going viral’ is such a ‘breaking news’ clickbait. windows users need to get a clue, that part is true. i kicked my brother out of my house for kept tryting to show me how easy ai made art. is os political now? you can guess his other issues. Rambling now
Uh ok
You should also stop using Google products for similar reasons.
Mass surveillance for advertising seems marginally more benign than mass surveillance by one’s own government, personally. Though admittedly both are bad.
Edit: I can find alternatives for most of Google’s ecosystem but mapping out accurate bus routes is terrible via OSM/OsmAnd or Organic Maps. Anyone have any tips there?
Mass surveillance for advertising is just gross. I remember a comedian making a joke saying that ‘anyone here in advertising? Please kill yourself!’ Also just because someone got all the info on your for advertising, it doesn’t mean the government won’t get access to it, because right now 4th amendment and other traditional restrictions on government overreach are moot if all they need to do is buy the data from some broker on you. This has actually happened and it was upheld in court.
The precedent for stuff like that is older than you think, but also not what you think. For example some serial killers and serial bank robbers were caught because some homeless person searched through their trash looking for something they can use, eat, or sell (all of these things are legal to do BTW) and they discover things like body parts, firearms, or brand new clothes that also fit the clothes that said criminal was wearing when they did their crimes, and said homeless people reported this to the police.
But I am quite confident that someone who just so happens to stumble upon something vs. a company watching your every move are two very different things.
The mission statement is irrelevant when the outcome is the same. Google has data a hostile power wants and goes it to them whenever they want.
Sure but our representatives should be held to a higher standard.
I just got grapheneOS on my new phone (it is a google pixel 10, but it is the one that can handle that…) I needed a client to use my gmail which will probably be the last thing I get rid of.
Are they shipping Graphene for the 10 now?
I tried to do it in the more advanced way, but I had never done anything like that before and I consider myself moderately technical. I used a simpler bootloader to get Frankel (the latest grapheneOS for Pixel 10. I have a basic Pixel 10, not the pro or fold) installed. I was apprehensive, but it seemed to go on fine. I am able to sandbox any google shit I do need (and it isn’t much) and I was able to get whatsapp with my old shit on it because my family is still using it for reasons. I am using K-9 as an email client for my gmail, which does help (or so I was told) limit the amount of information google gets on my usage when I check my email.
Are you replying to me?
I am using k-9 mail as a client.
If it’s the sending and receiving part of email, I’ve switched to purelymail (you could pick another) and put it behind my custom domain name. Because behind a custom domain, that’s the last time you’ll have to update your contacts as it won’t be dependent on which email provider you choose.
Searching through decades of old emails I do still use the Gmail account, but I just have to get off my butt to self host a local IMAP server for that.
Did they make contracts with them?
They have multiple contracts in the military sector.
For example: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/google-wins-200m-contract-with-us-department-of-defense/
Wait I’m confused. Sam Altman is OpenAI right? And he says the DoW agreed to work with them but with the same prohibitions that Anthropic wanted?
Or have never used their crap, ever.
No, I don’t think this is correct. There was a time during which Google did great things. Their search engine allowed millions if not billions to gain access to knowledge. They had a positive impact on a lot of FOSS projects. What they were is not what they are.
The tell was getting rid of “don’t be evil” as their motto. Even for a corporation that was a little on the nose.
the bad things started earlier. I remember when people were criticizing it
Agreed. They even refused to extend their services to China because of censure. But that was before, after change of CEO, enshittification started.
