Would community defense organizing be good?
Most ice agents will stand down facing a well armed militia. They’re just paid goons looking to take out aggressions against those who can’t fight back. Give them opposition and they’ll realize the pay cheque isn’t worth it.
Any and all kind of organizing are good. Don’t reinvent the wheel- find people who are already somewhat organized and go there and LISTEN. They will be less privileged than you but if you go in there humbly and say you’re a dumb shit and should have listened to them way way earlier then maybe things will work out. The elephant in the room is that you never cared about their lives and you obviously need help now, but you’ll be surprised how compassionate people can be. This is also a pretty good list.
‘Don’t reinvent the wheel’
Wait, this is horrible advice. It’s the opposite of what any successful entity does. The wheel here is a problem that the authoritarians have solved long ago. If you’re not reinventing it then you’re cooked before you even go to the store to buy your markers and bullshit cardboard supplies. They have studied the same old civil protests for decades. They have made laws to prevent protestors from being effective. They have decades of behavioral studies and actionable propaganda that they pull out and dust off every time you even think about sharing one of those ‘no kings’ or ‘general strike’ posts. Any protest you can imagine they have solved. If you don’t reinvent the wheel, you’re going to look fucking stupid when you show up with another 700m people and go home having accomplished nothing except get your leadership and organizers arrested.
That wheel needs to be reinvented. Look at the truck convoy. Hate them all you want but they did something brilliant. It was brilliant because at their top they had people who studied and knew police and authoritarian response and they found solutions to break them. After all, they were the authoritarians. They first drove through the streets across America to build awareness and hype. It’s a fucking parade. People came out and cheered on over passes as they rolled through. Others joined. Then they filled cities with so many vehicles and trucks that the police had no idea how to even responsed. How do police safely weave themselves into that formation to make arrests. Then what do they do with the trucks just sitting there? The truckers made it a street party to prevent police from committing violence. They invited families down to enjoy music and hot tubs while also shutting down major parts of cities everywhere neutralizing police ability to do their job.
The left do not have the same effort at the top. It’s lacking. But they need to figure it out super fast because I promise you if you’re just showing up to the streets with the same old shit then you’ve already lost. That wheel needs to be reinvented quick
Stand your ground?
There are four boxes of liberty. The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammo box. Use them in that order
Soap and jury are out. We might not make it to ballot.
Would be incredible to see protest where they show up to any ice presence fully armed. Still act as observes but also to ensure ice doesn’t execute anymore Americans
Minnesota has “permit to carry”, so you need a permit to legally have a firearm in public. Other states have banned open carry at protests. There are legal barriers.
With everything that is happening I’m questioning my state’s assault weapon ban. The feds are unhinged.
Laws specifically targeting disarming leftist
They arrested a guy who had a concealed permit and his registered weapon on him
I edited it because my early morning brain doesn’t always come across clearly
Are you referring to Arturo Gamboa, who was shot at while protecting a No King’s Day protest? He eventually walked free, and the shooter was arrested.
Honestly DylanMc6 there is nothing you can do and no answer that will be correct. Do your best.
My advice is buy a shotgun, let them know you are armed and under no circumstances do you open your door to them. Once the door is open all hell will break loose and you will have to make some hard choices within seconds.
Protect yourself and your family at all costs and hope you don’t have to kill anyone to do it.
I’m actually non-binary, and I prefer gender-neutral and feminine terms. Seriously!
Please change your pronouns to [she,they] then.
Ok. Buy a shotgun.
Corrected. Thanks
The clownvoy showed up with enough big trucks that the police could not fight out how to handle them. They also invited people to come hang out so police couldn’t just tear gas and beat skulls in. The left are still protesting in ways that they protested 70 years ago. The police and military have literal books and charts to deal with it. Unless these protest evolve, they’re really not doing back shit
What I would like to see is local organizations, like even city councils, running programs to arm thier citizens. Ideally with free training and such as a requirement. Super awesome would be if they setup shop near protest sites to do some basic training and then sell the weapons to the people legally for like $10 or something. Essentially, legally and responsibly arm the protestors. If ICE starts shooting, they return fire. That should really give ICE pause.
Are there any instances of that happening?
No, and if there were, it would likely give actual legal grounds for the federal government to invoke the Insurrection Act which would allow domestic deployment of the US military - not National Guard, full military. Local PD isn’t doing much for the same reason.
Local PD aren’t doing anything to stop this because the police forces are mainly staffed by low-IQ Republicans who, if anything, will protect ICE with the argument that ICE is federal and therefore apparently can ignore all laws.
Local PD isn’t doing much because they are overwhelmingly filled with low-IQ Republicans. If they show up, they protect ICE with the argument that they’re federal agents.
film them
I’m from a suburb of Minneapolis. Civil engagement is a good way to go. Recent events (shootings) got people to get our city council to figure out what they could do for gun safety. ICE hasn’t touched our wealthy suburb yet, though. There hasn’t been a city meeting since Renee Good, as well. Next city council meeting will be 🔥
What can they do for “gun safety”? I’m fairly sure the woman murdered wasn’t because of lack of gun safety on her end.
I’ll also add, I’m Minnesotan. Also have connections to FFLs. So I’m getting a lot of the same news, we don’t really have a gun safety problem. We have laws about how to store firearms and ammunition. Shootings that have taken place aren’t for a lack of “gun safety”.
I wasn’t trying to imply the gun safety thing will make a difference in the current atmosphere. Just that pressuring and changing local government helps and is something to do. Idk man.
That’s fair. I will not argue that.
That is the point Mr. Bond is expected you to die. There is only luck at this point.
I think groups of openly armed citizens patrolling the streets would be a huge deterrent to ICE. These guys are violent bullies when they operate against unarmed people, but I doubt they are willing to mess with a mass of armed defenders.
But if the military continues to go along with Trump then this just may escalate things.
I’m from Denmark, and reading this thread is really scary. What the hell is going on over there?
Essentially a 1930s Germany speed run by the stupidest fascists you can imagine.
Just think those old black and white films of whimsical aviation fails. That is what they are in real life. We’ll see how history plays out. Not usually too well for these types. Just bad optics overall.
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the people behind a 5 decade long plan to build amerikkka finally feel secure enough to take off their masks
Full Nazi takeover and not enough resistance although the ICE agent shooting Renee Good in the head three times has gotten some people to react.
The federal government is sending masked agents to brutalize and terrorize people is cities that are adversarial to their agenda.
It’s bad.
Use your gun.
Don’t have one? Get one.
Can’t get one? Make one.
Will the
leftleft-claiming finally accept the need for 2a?As to downvotes that aren’t related to phrasing: do you really think that’s an invalid statement? Why?
The left are armed. Or did you mean Democrats/Liberals?
Another liberal here with a literal fucking arsenal suck my balls divider
Liberal here. I’ve a real beauty of a Lee-Enfield that was used to kill fascists in the 20th century. She’s ready to do so once again in the 21st if necessary.
Fair enough.
Hit me up for PDF on option 3.
You really just need a steel tube and a hammer.
Well yeah, but anything worth doing is worth overdoing.
Two hammers?
Sup, I’d like info on option 3 please
That would probably be the FGC-9. Or Luty’s Expedient Homemade Firearms. That said, getting into a gunfight with armed federal agents seems like a quick way to commit suicide.
Oh I’m not at all, I was just curious how poor of a idea they DIY firearm was…I once saw one that used a square tip shovel to start. I don’t know if some folks could machine that shit nope from me
Vice News did a bit on 3d printed firearms a while back. It was really interesting and gave a realistic demonstration of the ease and difficulties of 3d printed firearms.
Actually I don’t have that one in my collection yet, thank you for my next project.
You either contribute to the United States’ brain drain so that the economic situation collapses, or you use the second amendment.
Alone, you are out-manned and out-gunned. Community is probably the best bet as bullies rely on uneven strength for their confidence. They’re untrained and want an easy target. Don’t give them it
I really wish there are free community defense classes
What kind of classes? Shooting? If so I’d say shooting won’t help much unless you have a community response to those threatening you. It just gives ammunition to those calling the American population dangerous, and trying to break them into groups so they can exploit hatred and fear. I believe that standing by all “groups” no matter what is what needs to happen. When someone tries to divide to conquer, the best answer I can see is avoiding any divides. The problem is it works on so many people, that about 30% of the country agrees that they have enemies in the country. Yet those people they think are enemies… Are no one they know, and would take as a friend if they were their neighbor.
Edit: that’s said as someone taught to shoot when I was 8 and has owned guns from 18, I’m 36. Guns aren’t the answer without community
All groups with one caveat. No Nazis. They can go fuck themselves.
