I would argue you marginalizing the left into a smaller group is pretty beneficial to the right and you might want to view it critically. Like if you were the right with a lot of money and effort in astro turfing and targeting the left online then maybe you have succumbed to something they may have pushed. How would you know either way?
What is the money doing? It does what we do for free. The algorithm favoured the right because they create content. It’s not a finger on the scale saying show people more right wing stuff. It’s the the right share and create content because they actively engage and participate online rather than sit in the sidelines. But the left wing causes and political parties see more donations than the right on average.
Democrats are able to raise more capital. Left leaning voters earn a higher Average income than right leaning. There’s money on the left we’re just less effective and more apathetic.
Give the right the eyes and ears to everyone sounds like a great idea while we sink into the corner
Yes I agree with what you’re saying. But the left has to adapt or its finished. For all the talk of intelligence and how dumb the right are goes out the window. That’s because even with the money and the power, the people on the right had enough awareness to know when to lean into something even if they didn’t agree and when to pull back. The left do not. People keep saying they don’t understand how people can ignore Trump’s dumb bullshit. It’s because they don’t actually like Trump. The left doing understand this. Trump is giving them victory after victory. It’s not about Nazi or fascism or any of that. It’s about winning. The left have placed to many barriers to winning that something basic like Gavin Newsom mocking Trump is seen as amazing. That should have been the approach 10 years ago. Instead people focused too much on calling him a racist directly. You have to show not tell.
So how do you promote the new platforms if we all left?
Nobody on the right stops to ask if people want them. I mean Reddit was pretty left leaning. Now it isn’t. So what does it matter if they want you there.
It takes 10% of a group to change the views of 100% of the group. The right knew this and strategically targeted smaller sub Reddit’s before moving to bigger ones. I called this out in 2015. You could see smaller local subs shift. Then those fed into the larger city ones and then eventually the larger ones like r/Canada saw big shifts. They did this everywhere. The left has never understood this tactic I don’t know why. It was so obvious from the start.
100% more effort than anything else going on with Lemmy or leftist.
The left are so anti left that they’re regressing so rapidly that women can’t even get an abortion anymore. Their excuse is “money”. The actually cause is that the average leftist is dumber then the average person on the right. They’re on average less effective. The past decade is more than enough proof of this. I don’t care what you’re going to reply with because I know it’ll be some sassy comment to make you feel better. But it’s not going to change fuck all. The left is fucking cooked.
Neither.
Both sides have money. In fact the left has much more money than the right.
We’re not even talking about big money here. The average right leaning person will give a dollar to any thing they agree with. The left mull over the morality and ethics of a thing until it passes then they say “well I would punch a Nazi if I ever needed to” but they can’t even muster the energy to read a comment they disagree with.
Look at the donations given to random assholes who said something anti vaccination. Millions of donating poured in. Look at that women that yelled racial slurs at kids in a park. Millions.
I saw Jon Stewart posted here the other day and the comments were calling him a fascist.
We’re fucking done.
Yes because the right mobilized and overwhelmed the sites with complaints. Add to this the mass cancelling that created panic in any celebrity made them all support each other. So now you had Joe Rogan bringing Zuckerberg on and really drilling home how problematic the left was and how they needed to stop it. The left went full toxic ex girlfriend. They were keying cars and lighting fires everywhere and never understood why nobody wanted to associate with them.
The left had so many things they hated that the right manipulated them into cancelling every single celebrity with a skeleton in their closet. This made all of the terrified. At the same time the right showed they will defend and enrich anyone who even looks their way. The left alienated everyone they could, the right embraced them and offered a safe space. This isn’t complicated. It isn’t Atlas Shrugged. It’s basic human nature and social awareness. The left bought right into so many poisoned apples.
I read through the comments. Literally someone below is even saying “Tech bros are all fascist sympathizers”. I like tech. Do I now say fuck the left because that’s me I like tech and therefore I am a fascist sympathizer? Like its unreal how the left labels things and then has no awareness why they have lost people who traditionally would have been leaning left. I don’t think there ever will be any self awareness on this either.
I can’t imagine the mentality of walking around and saying everything and everyone is a piece of shit and then at the end of the day going “why is nobody supporting me”. People are not fascist or Nazis or whatever because they are helping Trump. They just hate all of you. A lot of the world does.
Why is the leftist approach is to platform the opposition while the rights approach is to overwhelm the space until it does what they want?
Which approach do you think is working and which one do you think is failing?
Why not work with each other to find ways to get around these things and overwhelm the platform. Like remember when people found that AI put guardrails in. People were not on these comments saying "well guys we should pack it up and leave it alone, I don’t like it anyways. No, instead the collective effort to get it to say something mean was incredible. So why is it with this stuff we convince each other to leave and let these platforms be run by the right wing people. You ever ask why there’s a difference?
Something interesting to me is how the left takes these things on the chin. In these comments there are lots of comments like “yea well they all do this”. Compare that to the right during covid who would take screenshots and make sure everybody knew this was happening and not only that it was happening but how this would lead to dystopian authoritarian rule that threaten each and every person. I see this over and over again with each and every opportunity to show people how bad things are getting. But instead we snuff out these things ourselves and just move along.
The left have no bite. They are all bark
Can we make this character be the face of leftists from now on. Because its most of you.
The minute you make something profitable you’ll attract people like me who will want to capitalize on the product and there’s more no talented me types looking to get rid of the Linus and VLC guys who build things because they’re passionate and want to make money. “Free” is the cure for cancer. The cancer are people like me
This is why I took myself off all the other platforms. That way I don’t have to see it.
Whose with me
So nothing
So what are you all going to do about it?
Consider these recent examples:
The pro-Russia “Operation Overload” campaign used free AI tools to push disinformation—including deepfakes and fake news sites—on a scale that catapulted from 230 to 587 unique content pieces in under a year .
AI-generated bots and faux media orchestrated coordinated boycotts of Amazon and McDonald’s over DEI reversals—with no clear ideology, just engineered outrage .
Social media networks ahead of the 2024 U.S. election were crawling with coordination networks sharing AI-generated manipulative images and narrative content and most such accounts remain active .
Across the globe, AI deepfakes and election misinformation campaigns surged from France to Ghana to South Africa—showing clear strategic deployment, not random dissent .
Because AI expands creative sovereignty. It enables:
It keeps people bypass expensive gatekeepers and build tools, stories, and businesses.
Activists and community groups to publish, advocate, and organize without top-down approval.
Everyday people to become producers, not just consumers.
The moment ordinary people gain these capabilities, the power structures that rely on gatekeeping be they think tanks, PR firms, old-guard media, or political operatives have every incentive to suppress or smear AI usage. That’s why “AI is dangerous” is convenient messaging for them.
The real question isn’t whether cloud patterns are real it’s why shouldn’t we expect influential actors to use AI to shape perception, especially when it threatens their control?
Lemmy isn’t just a random forum it’s one of the last bastions of “tech-savvy” community space outside the mainstream. That makes it a perfect target for poisoning the well campaigns. If you can seed anti-AI sentiment there, you don’t just reach casual users, you capture the early adopters and opinion leaders who influence the wider conversation.
I haven’t checked my feed. But good money I can find multiple “fuck AI” posts that sound similar to “they took our job”
You call it “patterns in the clouds,” but that’s how coordinated media campaigns are meant to look organic, coincidental, invisible unless you recognize the fingerprints. Spotting those fingerprints isn’t tinfoil-hat stuff, it’s basic media literacy.
And let’s be real: plenty of groups have motives to discourage everyday people from embracing AI.
Political think tanks and content farms (Heritage Foundation, Koch networks…) already pay for astroturfing campaigns and troll farms. They do it on issues like immigration, climate, and COVID. Why would AI magically be exempt?
Reputation management/PR firms (Bent Pixels, marketing shops, crisis comms firms) literally get paid to scrub and reshape narratives online. Their business model depends on you not having the same tools for cheap or free.
Established media and gatekeepers survive on controlling distribution pipelines. The more people use AI to generate, remix, and distribute their own content, the less leverage those outlets have.
Now why does this matter with AI in particular? Because AI isn’t just another app it’s a force multiplier for individuals.
A single parent can spin up an online store, write copy, generate images, and market it without hiring an agency.
A student can build an interactive study tool in a weekend that used to take a funded research lab.
An activist group can draft policy briefs, make explainer videos, and coordinate messaging with almost no budget.
These kinds of tools only get created if ordinary people are experimenting, collaborating, and embracing AI. That’s what the “don’t trust AI” narrative is designed to discourage. If you keep people from touching it, you keep them dependent on the existing gatekeepers.
So flip your own question: who pays for these narratives? The same people who already fund copy-paste headline campaigns like “illegals are taking our jobs and assaulting Americans.” It’s the same yellow-journalism playbook, just aimed at a new target.
Dismissing this as “cloud patterns” is the exact mindset they hope you have. Because if you actually acknowledge how coordinated media framing works, you start to see why of course there are groups with the motive and budget to poison the well on AI.
I just wish we went whole hog into wind and Solar. Nuclear is great but the push for it online makes me feel like that’s something going on.