cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/50693956
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A post by [object Object] (@zzt@mas.to) saying: courtesy of @davidgerard@circumstances.run, Proton is now the only privacy vendor I know of that vibe codes its apps: In the single most damning thing I can say about Proton in 2025, the Proton GitHub repository has a “cursorrules” file. They’re vibe-coding their public systems. Much secure! I am once again begging anyone who will listen to get off of Proton as soon as reasonably possible, and to avoid their new (terrible) apps in any case. https://circumstances.run/@davidgerard/114961415946154957
It has a reply by the author saying: in an unsurprising update for those familiar with how Proton operates, they silently rewrote their monorepo’s history to purge .cursor and hide that they were vibe coding: https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/tree/2a5e2ad4db0c84f39050bf2353c944a96d38e07f
given the utter lack of communication from Proton on this, I can only guess they’ve extracted .cursor into an external repository and continue to use it out of sight of the public
Just because they are using Cursor, it doesn’t mean that they are vibe coding. Anyone grabbing their pitchforks for that and screaming “they are vibecoding” only shows their own incompetence.
If they would be vibecoding, their whole software would’ve gone to shit long ago.
Just because some random people without an engineering background are using vibecoding to push their broken slop, it doesn’t mean that any kind of AI assisted coding is bad.
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Who are you talking about?
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And you think Andy Yen supports Trump because of a single Tweet?
https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305eNuance? And a Lemmy.ml user?
You also have already failed the purity test by considering a different narrative.
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I object to your wording of “just” fucking dumb. They’re not mutually exclusive, he’s definitely evil as well.
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If they would vibe code a functional Proton Drive Linux client then I might be OK with it.
Mastodon at it again with pitchforks and torches for the slightest inconvenience.
Using Cursor doesn’t prove anything. Many people use Cursor as an advanced autocomplete, nothing else. It’s not like they’re hammering random AI-generated code and merging it without thinking. “Vibe coding” means generating barely-working code you don’t understand to try and get thinks working.
This shit is why I hate the mastodon community, it’s always strawmen and “you’re one of THEM” style witchhunts with them
The anti-AI circlejerk even here on lemmy is now just about as bad as the pro-AI circlejerk in the general public, no room for nuance or rational thinking, just dunking on everyone who say anything remotely positive about AI, like when I said I like the autocomplete feature of copilot.
I’m a pretty big generative AI hater when it comes to art and writing. I don’t think generative AI can make meaningful art because it cannot come up with new concepts. Art is something that AI should be freeing up time in our lives for us to do. But that’s not how it’s shaping up.
However, AI is very helpful for understanding codebases and doing things like autocompletion. This is because code is less expressive than human language and it’s easier for AI to approximate what is necessary.
You’re not alone. Nuance is just harder to convey, takes more effort to post something nuanced. And so people do it less, myself included. But I think truthfully that many people are not so stuck in one or the other circlejerks. It’s lovely to see people in this thread who are annoyed by both.
I’m not sure why being a “privacy vendor” forbids you from using AI tools in your development process
You are buying a bicycle online.
Both are the same price, but one is handmade by a skilled professional with decades of experience, the other is made by a sketchy machine that even it’s creators don’t really understand… and sometimes uses square wheels instead of round.
Your choice.
I see their repo is open source. Is there any actual evidence that the sketchy machine generated any part of it?
Plug for Tuta. 🤷♂️ The user experience isn’t the best, but it’s as secure as it gets. Small team, no vibe coding.
Hmm… Been looking into it myself recently. What’s your issue with the user experience?
Seemed like a better email/call product all around plus extra 5gb for email storage
Not an issue, per se. In order to keep the team small they built most the app in a single codebase. It’s mostly web code, and the apps are wrappers for it. So it keeps it unified between all clients but it definitely feels like a web wrapper, so it can feel a bit slow or clunky.
Ok this landed…
Yeah coming from proton wrapper slopz it actually felt better but yeah it is still wrapper slop.
Us Linux girls, take what we can get. I ain’t picky
