I just think “community knowledge” is a much more nebulous concept it quickly extends into subjective topics that a mod curated wiki/sidebar might not fit. The sidebar more naturally represents undebatable axioms/foundations to the community such as a link directly to what a community is about or its rules.

Yes ok that is pretty much it or close, very cool!

So what wiki do you want to create ? :)

I have ideas, mostly very simple things like an easy to collate and edit list of game reviews on a gaming community that you could without too much fuss link to various different comments/threads where those games were actually reviewed by people. All I am saying is a somewhat more loosely formalized “check out discussion on this thread” kind of thing that would provide a touchstone for people curious to sift back through a community with lots of interesting posts.

To me the crux of the question is time though, on a corporate social media platform eternal newness is essential to the growth of the cancer. The past is always a distraction, liability and potential problematic solution to a profitable current problem.

To make this specific to Mobilizon with an example, wouldn’t it be cool if a fediverse user who regularly attended a monthly makerspace/diy-project-share-and-help meetups that are posted on Mobilizon could create a post sharing context from each of the events they attended together into a new experience/post that might be meaningful to people? They could submit knowledge, context and story to a community without having to express it as necessarily the official stance or perspective of the entire community but rather a particular users perspective on a series of fediverse events/posts and how they connect through individual experiences.

Maybe Mobilizon isn’t the best platform for that but then I would say Mobilizon should focus on building a nice simple elegant way for other fediverse softwares to do that!

oh, somehow I missed that heck yes!

edit I checked out piefed’s wiki some more, nothing groundbreaking but that isn’t the point, there is a simple elegance to having a nice thorough wiki capability right there alongside associated threads that can help curate content to add to the community wiki over time. I am impressed and very excited!

How does editing and submitting content to a particular piefed communities wiki work? That is the crux for me, I don’t want these tools to essentially just be more fiddly stuff for the admins/moderators to maintain, I am not suggesting chaos but rather that a regular user could submit a perspective, a particular organization and contextualization of information already existing on the community and it could exist in conversation with divergent perspectives on the same body of conversation and knowledge.

Something that is kind of a broad suggestion but it keeps bubbling up in my mind is the potential for some of these fediverse social platforms to be well situated to function as community knowledge bases.

To put it another way, why are these fediverse softwares restricted to sharing and federating content along the axis of time?

The thing I value most about reddit-like/internet forum like communities is they provide an amazing context to learn new things, especially things you didn’t even know you didn’t know.

At this point in time we are still stuck seeing social media as a goal unto itself, you interact online socially because you desire to interact online socially. This is all well and good, but similar to how Mobilizon helps facilitate that connection growing into something meaningful in the real world (events you can attend!) I am interested in ways in which fediverse software can be designed to help facilitate organically building community knowledge bases out of online social interaction.

As to what that specifically looks like, well… I guess I am suggesting some kind of wiki-like system and I know that isn’t a new suggestion but I think people mistakenly see this kind of feature request as mission creep rather than a natural next step for burgeoning communities of niche experts who could solidify that sense of place into a real beacon for the internet on that topic by collating conversations into community posts of information and links. Specifically I think it would be fascinating to have a wiki like database where the source links for information stated on the wiki are sourced back to comments/conversations in threads on that community (which would source to external sources of course)… I think it would make the entire process of communities producing a formalized organized knowledge base much more transparent, organic and frictionless.

To put it another way, I challenge the Mobilizon team to think about “whats next?” after you make an event and connect people, what is the intended impact? I think the next step is to create a natural platform for both interaction/events and knowledge where conversations about events can naturally evolve into more formalized posts of information through whatever community mechanisms best fit that particular community.

Events and interaction feed into knowledge and vice versa, as of yet no social media corporation or community project has effectively grasped this as the central dynamo that powers online communities people actually value. I think Mobilizon because it is positioned as an event organizer for the fediverse is in someways uniquely situated to navigate that connection point successfully and show people what social media can really become if we see it as more than just cigarettes but for your smartphone.

No more unrealistic than the massive valuations on the stock market of social media corporations that can supposedly back it up somehow (with AI! or something… VR maybe?) despite the fact that fundamentally these social media places are becoming crowded rooms full of bots pretending to be humans all trying to manipulate humans who are long gone.

My point is, we will figure out how to sustainably scale before corporations do because the metabolism of massive tech companies precludes them from giving a shit about that.

At this point, inefficiency is a virtue for these corporations as it degrades the environment around them making future alternatives unlikely to be able to gain a hold in such a broken context.

Eeew I used to constantly get ads for Epoch Times here in the US even though I only watch progressive news and Epoch is toxic rightwing slop machine.

Burn it with fire.

nope :)

I was replying to both, I understand your point, my point is the beginning of the comment you were responding to defeats itself with stupidity before your logic (which I agree with) has even gotten out of bed and put pants on for the day.

The issue isn’t so much that they’re banning pornographic content

I agree with your point but also what the hell, why is this considered a normal well adjusted thing to say…

(second quote from different person)

I’m all in for banning pornographic content

Why? What is the flimsy, unscientific, puritan christian conservative reason and why is it ok for people to force it on everybody else?

Conservatives HATE GAMING. Not the online chuds and 4channers who hate women, they’re barely even conservatives…

They sure sound like conservatives to me.

To rip people off, apply surveillance capitalism to kids and strangle associated competition from gaining a foothold?

Honestly it seems like Microsoft is making enough profits from aiding Israel in its Genocide of Palestinians with Microsoft Azure I am actually not sure why they bother with the comparatively less lucrative video game industry.

I also don’t know why Asus would want to brand their gaming devices with a label deeply associated with genocide.

How locusts go into swarm mode is fascinating

https://roundglasssustain.com/columns/grasshoppers-locusts

No taxonomic distinction is made between locust and grasshopper species; the basis for the definition is whether a species forms swarms under intermittently suitable conditions; this has evolved independently in multiple lineages, comprising at least 18 genera in 5 different subfamilies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locust

It all depends on the day lol.

Congrats on switching!

It was actually the rise of spotify and enclosure of the music listening commons that killed my desire to record and produce music.

AI feels like the boring next step from the Spotify CEO saying musicians shouldn’t expect to be able to make a living making and recording music. It is all part of the same movement to train people to see creativity done by humans as inherently valueless and amateur so that profitable simulcrums of human creativity can take center stage that parasitically feed on unpaid artistic human labor. I don’t hate music streaming services, I hate the axiomatic assumption in my society that progress can only ever be a process of increasing austerity for artists in order to fund increasing profit for the ownership class that steals the labor of artists.

Art is a product of a corporation in the context of a market to be evaluated by how well it attracts attention, entirely human made art is just a silly thing you occasionally do on the side as a gesture to someone you know like a handwritten note that is novel and fun precisely because it is a vanishingly rare thing. This is the suffocating environment being forced on human artists.

Good point, my bad I was unconciously assuming we were talking about the english speaking part of the internet, but yeah definitely.

The problem here is whatever value the US dollar has, it is decreased by the participation of Wyoming, so why would I want to trade US dollars for a currency hinged only on the negative liabilities the US dollar has?

I guess this coin is for those committed to the blooming collapse of the rural US, who cares if it goes belly up if the landscape you live in is so existentially screwed for water, healthcare and livable housing that money won’t be of any use when shit hits the fan anyways.

How The Mooching Works

In that vein, understanding Wyoming’s finances is important for us to become educated voters.

Wyoming is a very unique state because it figured out a long time ago how to make people from out of state pay our essential taxes. In other words, we mooch off of other taxpayers to pay our bills.

Here’s how the mooching works. According to a 2022 analyis by the Wyoming Economic Analysis Division, a three-person family with an income of $68,000 and owning a home with a value of $320,000 pays about $4,340 in taxes, including sales tax, fuel tax, tobacco tax, alcohol taxes, vehicle registration and property taxes.

That same family recieves about $23,900 in local and state government services.

…

Some politicians are running around and saying Wyoming should just stop taking federal funds. The obvious question, when faced with the above numbers, is how are you going to replace $3 billion per year when the state stops taking that money?

Before one answers that we don’t need those funds, it might be prudent to see where the state of Wyoming spends those federal dollars.

Remember, some of the funds are direct federal payments that are labeled “federal funds” in the graph above. The federal mineral royalties are included in the “general fund” as well as “other funds,” which are appropriated differently.

Combined, the “federal funds” and “other funds” contributions equal 31% of the state’s budget.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/01/09/tom-lubnau-like-it-or-not-wyoming-depends-on-federal-money/

Does this sound like a better holder of value than the US dollar?

Well I hope Microsoft has next to no input on it then, for all our sakes not just the people at Asus.

I don’t think it is, maybe we are due for another growth spurt but from here on out I genuinely think a critical mass has been achieved where it will simply make more and more sense for people to come here.

I do think we face a real inertia right now where the general public has become convinced corporate social media sucks because people suck not because corporations suck and we need to refute that misconception if we want the fediverse to have a vibrant future.

It is really frustating how evidently unhappy most users of corporate social media are about their social media use, yet they show no signs of stopping and when you start to provide an alternate vision of social media they immediately shortcircuit to “social media is bad, I don’t want more”.

I do think if we don’t start pushing back with an affirmative positive vision of why social media can be good we may see a period of depressed growth but I don’t see that happening yet personally.