Oh absolutely. I like the qualitative way they interact with their users. Instead of lots of static pages with lists of issues to vote on, roadmaps, FAQs and that kind of thing, feedback and updates all happen in the chats, interacting with the actual developers. When I make requests or report bugs, ppl chime in and those things actually get addressed, and sometimes fixed really fast. Feels like a digital village!

yea🤘 the tech is really fascinating. Like yea, the p2p-approach introduces some new challenges, but it solves so many existing ones:

For example costs. The more popular an app gets, the more traffic it gets, the more it costs to run it. I’ve heard telegram spends hundreds of millions of dollars on servers, with hundreds of developers.

P2P is the complete opposite. Keet is made by a small team, and the more people use it, the better it runs (because more peers can relay data). It can scale with no such restrictions.

someone should do the math of what would be the environmental impact if all communication went p2p instead of datacentres.

You raise a lot of points here, I recommend you join the community room in the app, you’ll get every detail from the developers there.

they haven’t opensourced it yet, but they say they will do so, and they have done so with all the components that keet is built on top of. So given that track record, I think it’s just a matter of when.

I asked a developer about the dht, in this context a “server” is just a dht node that you can connect to with its public key (but agree it’s confusing they use the same word). the wording might be confusing, but its definitively not what anyone understands as a server in a centralized network https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table

as i’ve understood, all push notifications on android has to pass through googles servers (but they are encrypted)

and they don’t need a server to check for duplicates in usernames

so I recommend you continue to explore and ask around in the chat rooms, figure out if this is for you!

I’m excited for peer to peer technology, because it brings us closer to what the internet was originally supposed to be like.

I’ve recommended Keet (chat app) a bunch of times on lemmy earlier, which works really well and that is cool, but that is just a showcase of what’s possible with p2p.

Streaming media, sharing files, communication, browsing wikipedia, etc etc - this can be done without spying middlemen or data centres in between. Some cool demos here 09:45 https://youtube.com/watch?v=BTCsSwCpGP8&t=776

They’re not a multi-billion dollar company. If you don’t like it, then don’t use it. That’s your choice.

But please stop talking nonsense about them not addressing real problems. Because they are. And they deserve credit for that. Not whining about the imperfections of a work in progress.

They’re actively trying to solve:

• e-waste and making devices last longer (contributing upstream)
• escaping data harvesting and surveillance
• offer an alternative to the mobile duopoly

I’m baffled that they even bother, given how much people complain about it not being good enough. But I’m glad they do, and I think it’s awesome.

Great article, thx

Seems we are talking about different things here. By “perfect” I assumed you meant “complete”, as opposed to an IM-log, e-mail, letters or other async communications.

For people with medical conditions such as dementia, of course, this could solve real problems. I’m not saying we should pull the brakes in every case. My only point is that more data doesn’t equal “better” in every case.

Forgetting things are an underappreciated part of being human. Of course accumulating knowledge with science etc is what drives humanity forward. But when living our day to day lives, forgetting stuff is not just a bug, it’s a feature. It enables us to move on, letting go, and revisit memories more organically and qualitatively. For example the rush of nostalgia that hits you when you randomly hear a song from your childhood. Compare this to prompting your local AI with “give me a perfect list of songs from my childhood”.

For example it’s interesting to listen to accounts from savants with near perfect memories who talk about the struggles of remembering everything.

Would it?

A chatlog of what everyone has ever said to you? Every misspeak, miscommunication, he-said-she-said, emotional comment? What problem would it solve?

It might solve some problems, and introduce a shit ton of new ones. As technology always does.

If I was China, I would be thrilled to hear that the west are building data centres for LLMs, sucking power from the grid, and using all their attention and money on AI, rather than building better universities and industry. Just sit back and enjoy, while I can get ahead in these areas.