• krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    20 days ago

    I’m trying to find a quote about how heroes in WW1 become villain in WW2, but i can’t find it.

    So let’s just pretend this comment is saying that quote.

    Edit: if i recall correctly, it says that many villain will stay a hero if WW2 didn’t happen.

    • shneancy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      20 days ago

      well, in shortage of historical quotes let’s substitute that with a batman one

      “You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain” - Harvey Dent

    • Ech@lemmy.caEnglish
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      20 days ago

      So all the accusations against them were rumors (surely not at all influenced by them being gay or (likely) trans 🙄), and they were murdered by a militia that had no qualms murdering children, but they’re the monster here?

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
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        20 days ago

        So all the accusations against them were rumors

        No, only some details are disputed. It’s undisputed that they were a Nazi collaborator.

        but they’re the monster here?

        For willingly collaborating with the Nazis? Yes.

      • phdepressed@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        20 days ago

        The worse accusation were rumors, they still helped the Nazis by getting them gas, space, and driving them around. The problem with facists is that everyone remotely involved in helping them gets put at the same level. All of ICE whether they’re driving the trucks or actually kidnapping folks are still ICE members. Whatever washed up actor or comedian of the day is also not going to get sympathy from me. Peter Thiel is gay, that has nothing to do with the horrors he is helping unleash on the rest of us.

        • Ech@lemmy.caEnglish
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          20 days ago

          Considering it sounds like they couldn’t get work anywhere else, can you really blame them for working for the only group that gave them a chance? And the situation you described is already preying on those crushed under student debt and out of work. Are you really going to say everyone taking the only opportunity they’re given are equally as bad as the fuckers calling the shots and doing the deeds? It doesn’t make the actions ok, but not everyone up and down the chain deserves a death sentence. You can have and show compassion to those that deserve it and still hold people accountable to the degree that they deserve it.

          • XM34@feddit.orgEnglish
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            20 days ago

            Yes, if you help murdering people, you help murdering people and I don’t care on bit about your tragic backstory! Having a difficult life does not excuse becoming a fucking monster!

            • Ech@lemmy.caEnglish
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              20 days ago

              Forcing everything in your life into binary “good” and “monstrous evil” isn’t going to help anything. You’re just adding more hatred into the world, and there’s plenty enough of that as is.

              • phdepressed@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                20 days ago

                I’m saying that when you sit at a table with nazis you’re going to be counted as a nazi. In the event of violence no one is going to check your level of collaboration before throwing a punch or pulling a trigger.

                • Ech@lemmy.caEnglish
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                  20 days ago

                  Just to be clear, you’re defending a user that is branding anyone acting in desperation a “monster”, as well as assassins that explicitly targeted a non-cis person for death for their minimal involvement and murdered children as a matter of course. This is really the lane you wanna be in?

          • Amnesigenic@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            20 days ago

            Yes I absolutely can blame them, if the only place you can find work is with nazis then you’re unemployed